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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 202 for the first off

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September 2012 Richard Saunders here

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with you from Sydney Australia coming up

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on this week's show some really really

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wonderful skeptics and some good people

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to put to my favorite people in the

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world dr. Pamela gay a wonderful

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astronomer dr. Pamela gay and dr.

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Harriet Hall known as the skip doc now

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both these wonderful people are at the

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amazing meeting where of course of

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course they spoke to Maynard I'm

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beginning to think that everybody of the

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amazing meeting must have spoken to main

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out at some stage or other I'm also

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beginning to think that the man must be

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twins or triplets I don't know how on

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earth he got all these interviews in

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such a short time but he did and we're

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still enjoying every one of them and

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more to come over the weeks to come it's

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just incredible and for those people who

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might be new to the skeptic zone the

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only reason may not went to the amazing

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meeting in Las Vegas is because

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listeners of this show paid for him to

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go there listen up our folks that's what

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it's all about then coming up after

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those interviews I travel to Sydney

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University which isn't so far from where

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bit and I speak to the young scientists

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of Australia now this is an organization

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dedicated to outreach and encouraging

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young people to take up or be involved

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with science very very worthy cause I

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think now some important news that's

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come to us from our good friends in

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Melbourne the Australian skeptics

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National Convention and there's more

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information coming up later in the show

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the tickets are selling out already now

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I know it's a months away it's at the

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end of november

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but the tickets are selling already this

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is a situation where it's not a good

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idea to sort of wait and think and delay

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get your tickets as soon as you can

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don't miss out don't be one of those

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people who say oh I finally I bought

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tickets don't miss out details about the

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Australian skeptics National Convention

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being held in Melbourne with James Randi

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and DJ Grothe and rebecca watson and a

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whole heap of other people details

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coming up later in the show but now it's

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time for me to leave this recording

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studio run downstairs come to the fridge

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and look inside our I'm going to have a

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nice glass of creaming soda while you

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here's my not spooky action at a

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well ladies and gentlemen it's new

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interview time here and I've got someone

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who spends a lot of time looking at the

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data depending on how you want to say it

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who've we got here I'm dr. Pamela game

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on the faculty at southern illinois

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university edwardsville now what's at

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university like is it a hard-drinking

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sport team no we're actually a fairly

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country and what's often referred to as

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the flyover zone oh we have a lot of

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good hard-working kids most of them come

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from the farms or the inner city and

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they're just trying to get through

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school working full-time jobs going to

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college it's I couldn't ask for a better

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group of hard-working kids so that means

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astronomical object of what did you like

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atmosphere i believe is caused by the

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methane is that correct that is correct

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chance to go to South Africa I'm partial

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small telescope but that's just kind of

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creepy and awesome Wow and it was easy

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tarantula nebula is fairly easy to find

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to use but if you know your bright stars

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that do you get any airtime on that do

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bit of a chat I've actually got to be on

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and I did one episode of Nova but I

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think everything but my eyeball and

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at the most and you've got to explain

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quite complicated concepts sometimes so

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how do you go of that because you've

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obviously studied where more is more if

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complete opposite of that with a media

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grab the nice thing about being a

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fessor is I've had lots of students ask

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that I've learned how to answer quickly

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tactic with the news people that I use

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strangest thing I've asked you because

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like TV has some really weird ideas

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for transporter beams and discussing

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energy necessary to pull apart all the

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the person to another place but to get

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this person to leave this place and go

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that I had my hollowed-out volcano where

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concept and actually there we go i

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rings of Saturn and that would get your

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students attention that would work mmm

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hot thing frankly we don't want to go

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near it but how dense is that I was

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times more dense than water and have I

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the Sun it's actually just vapor but as

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experience because it's trying to

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know of is it and I hope I get the

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pronunciation right is it beetle juice

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each Ike is God but it's not pronounced

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that way well it's pronounced either

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orbital guys depending on which

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dictionary you're using and that's a

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biggest star we've seen there's actually

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a big estar we've seen is something

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that's always a record that's always

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getting broken there's a certain

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physical limit up around a hundred times

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forming start almost the same rate so

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there's brief moments where things might

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million years which in cosmology is a

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brief period in time but a pistol star

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casino at least it's not XJ 37 dash

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because that can be I know you've got to

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names eventually but numbers just don't

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do it do they really know astronomers

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that we give things names that are

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letters numbers HDH dead you name it

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look the skeptics guard the universe and

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George Arab have both got really really

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really angry with recent movies and

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their scientific inaccuracies there's a

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few we can think of obviously what is

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the one that really annoys you is an

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astronomer like you know you're looking

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at the wrong thing and they're calling

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it the wrong thing or the star fields

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really nitpicking if you're going look

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the stars weren't doing on the ok fine

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yummy here what's the one that really

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annoys you that almost had you standing

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up in the cinema going this must not

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stand that this is such a petty annoyed

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but it drives me crazy I'll of iron man

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but iron man would get mushed into a

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million little tiny bits of iron man

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earthworm earthworms don't have

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and because I'm I'm man doesn't have the

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sort of a forcefield thing going on does

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he just kind of got the suit there's no

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force field that supposedly

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counteracting gravity is there right so

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the sudden stops he wouldn't just

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complain he would die brutally spine

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mush yet he's fine so apparently

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nuclear devices in your chest and how do

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I'm in Las Vegas it's a it's it's a bit

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of a sad sir illness to it doesn't it I

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have to admit Las Vegas is one of those

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cities that just leaves me confused

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flying here from Dallas I'm flying over

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the canyon lands of America which are

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absolutely stunning absolutely empty no

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roads no trails and then suddenly you

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come over a set of weird formations and

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there's this giant sprawling plague of

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buildings and and somehow this whole

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island of weirdness and anything goes

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that Springs out in the desert gives

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people a certain freedom that you don't

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quite encounter anywhere else and it's

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just like but there's so much cool

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geology near here now they'd much rather

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go to the Luxor and look at the fake

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pyramid and if you could build a fake

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something like say you okay it's the

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Pamela gay resort hotel and you were

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going to build something after another

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by famous an asteroid or a great feature

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or an astronomical feature what would it

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be what shape would your hotel resort be

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so I I have to say that when I was a

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dorky teenager I attended Space Camp and

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they had these dormitories there that

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were modeled after like some weird

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vision of Starfleet Academy or something

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and everything was just kind of NASA

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bunk

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bed cross ikea done with stainless steel

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and it was kind of awesome and I can

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imagine building a giant space park for

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people training for suborbital

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commercial spaceflight so if I could

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somehow be involved in one of those

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resorts for people getting ready for

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launch that would be kind of awesome and

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do you think you could have a you have

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the ticket to go into space I don't

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think I could use the space toilet I

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don't think I could you know that I mean

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they say you're not a real astronaut

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until you've done that I don't think I

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could get it right and if you get it

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wrong everybody pays one of the more

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disturbing things they realized last

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year while attending a meeting is folks

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who go up into space for suborbital

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spaceflight are all going to be in

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spacesuits there's no bathroom there is

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a diaper or other form of waste removal

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system in the spacesuit but these are

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space suits that are used for many years

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by many people wow this is have a hell

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of a great dry cleaner that that's three

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day turnaround I'm just thinking I don't

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like using bowling shoes so I I'm

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thinking I need to be rich enough to buy

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my own space suit before I'm willing to

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go into space well we'll even just to

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wander around Las Vegas because they got

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cooling units in the way you go you know

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cooling units are great you can use them

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for so many different things you can use

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them for your space you could be offered

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to be his call you well what I love is I

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met a stormtrooper in the 500 and first

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two had got military surplus cooling

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unit from a jet pilot and he was nice

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and cool in his a stormtrooper costume

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look let's talk about some anomalies

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here now on William Shatner's a weird or

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what which i think is the go-to program

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for any factual science you would need

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and in fact they recut it for discovery

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channel so it's just weird or what

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without the William Shatner just didn't

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have the same ring to it without his

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voice anyway and he was inside his house

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and of course that was his real house

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obviously imagine you watched the show

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quite a bit I have to admit I don't have

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that much time for TV that isn't on hulu

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okay well he was looking at one of the

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great theories that these large

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earth-sized spaceships are zipping in

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and out of the Sun for

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reason and why do you think that might

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be and would anyone not be telling us

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about it if it was happening there is

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this spacecraft called solar dynamic

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orbiter s do it's taking 320 gigabytes

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of data of the Sun every single day

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there's many many images per minute

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being taken of the Sun these things have

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such high resolution that we've image

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tornadoes of plasma moving across the

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surface of the Sun we haven't seen these

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spacecraft i'm going to say they're not

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there well there you go that's the end

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of that one and i'll have a few words to

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say to build when i see him actually is

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there a theory or an anomaly that people

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keep bringing up with you that kind of

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annoys you as a scientist I'm much the

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way as homeopathy annoys a lot of

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doctors the the idea that there is a

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large object whether it be a additional

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planet a solar type object star brown

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dwarf pick pick your poison heading

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towards the Earth on a collision course

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to hit us in December bothers me because

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we're capable of spotting objects five

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miles across at the distance of the

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planet Pluto we would have been able to

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see such an object with normal

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telescopes and a whole lot of work if it

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was on a collision course to hit us by

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then because it would already be past

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Jupiter I'm what if the planet has an

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extremely wide orbit like millions of

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years or whatever would be still be

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still becoming we might not see if it

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was going to hit us in December we'd

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already be able to see it because it

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would have to be about as close as

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Jupiter if not close okay yeah and

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you're gonna notice that you're going to

402
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notice that so why do you think people

403
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keep pushing that because that's a

404
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pretty easy one to disprove you've done

405
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up there in like under 30 seconds I

406
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could use as a grab on discovery quite

407
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easily so yeah why don't people them

408
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because I mean I guess it's people

409
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thinking that there's withheld

410
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information I guess that's the problem

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you got open I don't think most people

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understand how powerful the average

413
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backyard telescope is the the other day

414
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I was watching some people react to a

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video of Saturn being shown through just

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a backyard 8 inch telescope

417
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they're like wow I didn't know you could

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see the Rings and and they forget that

419
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Galileo is working with a two inch

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telescope and he saw the rings of Saturn

421
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when you underestimate the power of a

422
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backyard telescope it's easy to imagine

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that NASA which actually doesn't control

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the telescope's National Science

425
00:17:10,679 --> 00:17:08,439
Foundation does it's easy to imagine

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that all these organizations have all

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these conspiracies going on because they

428
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control the information know most of the

429
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information in terms of asteroids what's

430
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going on with the planets these things

431
00:17:25,919 --> 00:17:23,679
are getting monitored by a bunch of

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mostly great guys and a few great gals

433
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working in their backyards and their

434
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driveways and their backfield telescopes

435
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they're the ones for spotting new storms

436
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on Saturn they're the ones who are

437
00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:37,419
spotting the dust storms on Mars they're

438
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the ones who are doing all of this great

439
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planetary work and they have internet

440
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they have twitter they have facebook and

441
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they're not part of NASA they're not

442
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part of the National Science Foundation

443
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and they're going to share anything they

444
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find oh there goes another one you're

445
00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:54,669
blowing away a lot of theories here

446
00:17:59,549 --> 00:17:57,250
today now one of the things about your

447
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study is you your field of study is it

448
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requires love discipline not just in so

449
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if I was studying and learning things

450
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but a lot of patience a lot of sitting

451
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around order sifting through data is

452
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there something that you wish you had

453
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the discipline to do even more as part

454
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of your of your job because I would

455
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imagine that sometime you know you might

456
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want to go to bed early or something

457
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like that and you've got to sift through

458
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this data data the great weakness i have

459
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is proof reading things i just want to

460
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do the work i just want to get to the

461
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result i want to share it and present it

462
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but the time necessary to write the

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journal article that has all of the

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references to all of the literature to

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all the things that people have said in

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the past I hate it I hate it I would

467
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note in footnoting hey I I hate foot

468
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netting it's a required part of science

469
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and if you don't have enough references

470
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in your article it will be rejected I

471
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have learned this so it's not like

472
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Wikipedia no no sadly peer review

473
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requires you to actually cite who

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originated the ideas how the idea is

475
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evolved over time how what you're doing

476
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builds on the established ideas you

477
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can't just say

478
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look shiny you have to say you look

479
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shiny in context which is almost the

480
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it's the direct opposite of the creative

481
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process because with the creative

482
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process year you can build on stuff from

483
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the past but if it works it works if

484
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it's funny it's funny to a certain

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amount of people and you don't have to

486
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prove why it's funny that's

487
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unfortunately only true if you work in

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popular culture even academic artists

489
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are cursed with having to footnote and

490
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describe the intellectual creative

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legacy of their inspiration and what

492
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periods and things influence their work

493
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there's nothing that takes the art out

494
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of art more than reading someone's art

495
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master's thesis yeah whenever I hear the

496
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phrase fine arts that's I kind of run

497
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because that means none of these people

498
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are really good at writing essays and

499
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backing their stuff up so I'm not going

500
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to get an argument with them and

501
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scientists are even worse you guys can

502
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argue to the cows come home well at

503
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least we're trying to argue with facts

504
00:20:02,740 --> 00:20:00,650
rather than opinion EU you can't win

505
00:20:04,330 --> 00:20:02,750
when dealing with artists arguing over

506
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the shade of green I walked into the

507
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document once died laughing and they

508
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can't reach well it's it's it's funny

509
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when cultures collide I i was literally

510
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listening to two art majors argue over

511
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how to mix the perfect shade of green

512
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and it was a brilliant thing to watch

513
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and I'm thinking some sort of altered

514
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state would have made it even better but

515
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now I was completely sober and I just

516
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died laughing because that's so

517
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subjective in the way my eye perceives

518
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green could even be different physically

519
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let alone what I actually think

520
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emotionally about the color that going

521
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to get and and yet there are people who

522
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this is their academic study so that's

523
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what they do look being at the skeptical

524
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movement is is an outreach movement

525
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trying to get more people involved with

526
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it but I reckon it is the key to getting

527
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more people involved because whenever I

528
00:21:01,539 --> 00:20:59,419
think of science I think of hard work I

529
00:21:04,090 --> 00:21:01,549
think quadratics which I was terrible at

530
00:21:06,460 --> 00:21:04,100
at school I think of physics which

531
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:06,470
physics to me is just really hard maths

532
00:21:10,029 --> 00:21:08,480
I know it has a practical thing I push

533
00:21:12,220 --> 00:21:10,039
the bell as some sort of thing going on

534
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there but you know the maths to explain

535
00:21:15,170 --> 00:21:14,510
that I really couldn't stay awake for so

536
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how is

537
00:21:18,140 --> 00:21:17,070
getting everybody into it gonna be a

538
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little bit easy we're going to make it

539
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sexy or interesting or will he make it

540
00:21:23,690 --> 00:21:22,350
compelling for them this is actually at

541
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the heart of what I do with my career I

542
00:21:28,100 --> 00:21:25,860
I work in a field called citizen science

543
00:21:29,630 --> 00:21:28,110
so to give you an example the lunar

544
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:29,640
reconnaissance orbiter is this little

545
00:21:33,170 --> 00:21:31,290
tiny spacecraft that's going round and

546
00:21:35,570 --> 00:21:33,180
round the moon and it's taking images at

547
00:21:37,700 --> 00:21:35,580
such a high resolution that if your

548
00:21:39,230 --> 00:21:37,710
standard basketball player lay down on

549
00:21:41,060 --> 00:21:39,240
the surface of the Moon and assume the

550
00:21:43,610 --> 00:21:41,070
snow angel position with his arms and

551
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:43,620
legs out you could actually see him as a

552
00:21:48,500 --> 00:21:46,290
speck in the images what does that mean

553
00:21:50,210 --> 00:21:48,510
we've got all the images of the Apollo

554
00:21:52,460 --> 00:21:50,220
missions and so we can prove that we

555
00:21:54,290 --> 00:21:52,470
went there we can see actually the

556
00:21:56,420 --> 00:21:54,300
trails left behind by the astronauts

557
00:21:58,130 --> 00:21:56,430
Rovers by their feet as they walked

558
00:21:59,720 --> 00:21:58,140
around we can see the missions

559
00:22:02,240 --> 00:21:59,730
themselves where the lem's got left

560
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:02,250
behind is the resolution high after you

561
00:22:05,300 --> 00:22:03,840
can see the photos of the astronauts

562
00:22:06,260 --> 00:22:05,310
left of their families on the moon I

563
00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:06,270
think that's an interesting one because

564
00:22:10,250 --> 00:22:08,130
they put them in a it has sort of a glad

565
00:22:11,900 --> 00:22:10,260
wrap mylar bag and put them there and I

566
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:11,910
mentioned that still be there although

567
00:22:15,020 --> 00:22:13,530
the only thing I thought was if it was

568
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:15,030
close to where the blast was from the

569
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:16,650
rocket that could have been blown away

570
00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:18,810
but yeah that's it immediately that's

571
00:22:22,250 --> 00:22:20,370
what I thought oh well the resolution on

572
00:22:24,350 --> 00:22:22,260
these images about half a half a meter

573
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:24,360
per pixel so those are a little bit too

574
00:22:28,490 --> 00:22:26,490
small to be seen you'll get there well

575
00:22:30,530 --> 00:22:28,500
we'll get there and especially when we

576
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:30,540
have Rovers starting to roam around and

577
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:33,210
reoch Splore the moon in the future now

578
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:34,530
what's awesome with the Lunar

579
00:22:38,450 --> 00:22:36,810
Reconnaissance orbiters it's returning

580
00:22:40,700 --> 00:22:38,460
all this data that we're going to

581
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:40,710
eventually use to figure out where do we

582
00:22:44,780 --> 00:22:42,450
want to put communication stations where

583
00:22:46,700 --> 00:22:44,790
are the safe places to build but there's

584
00:22:50,090 --> 00:22:46,710
so much data coming back that the

585
00:22:52,850 --> 00:22:50,100
scientists don't have time to handle all

586
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:52,860
the data on their own so they tried

587
00:22:56,420 --> 00:22:54,570
programming computers do things like

588
00:22:58,430 --> 00:22:56,430
identify where craters are identify

589
00:23:00,490 --> 00:22:58,440
where Boulder fields art and we learned

590
00:23:02,810 --> 00:23:00,500
that computers are kind of bad at it and

591
00:23:05,390 --> 00:23:02,820
so what we've done is we've taken all of

592
00:23:08,210 --> 00:23:05,400
these images and we've put them online

593
00:23:10,610 --> 00:23:08,220
in a project called moon mappers at

594
00:23:13,010 --> 00:23:10,620
cosmic quest org and we're asking

595
00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:13,020
everyday people to help us map the

596
00:23:15,980 --> 00:23:14,370
surface of the Moon and we have our

597
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:15,990
first science results coming out next

598
00:23:19,970 --> 00:23:18,090
week the lunar forms at NASA Ames and

599
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:19,980
we're actually previewing that science

600
00:23:23,870 --> 00:23:21,840
here at tam no explain to be law

601
00:23:25,730 --> 00:23:23,880
computers are so bad at mapping it does

602
00:23:28,610 --> 00:23:25,740
it have trouble telling shadow from

603
00:23:29,010 --> 00:23:28,620
crater the problem with computers is

604
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:29,020
they want

605
00:23:35,010 --> 00:23:30,730
everything to be the same all the time

606
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:35,020
and the moon is made up of a thousand

607
00:23:39,030 --> 00:23:37,690
different shades of grey and so when

608
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:39,040
you're looking at the surface of the

609
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:41,440
moon that's 950 more than the book and

610
00:23:47,790 --> 00:23:44,320
that's nine yes yes it is and there's a

611
00:23:51,090 --> 00:23:47,800
lot less rope involved now when you look

612
00:23:53,820 --> 00:23:51,100
at the moon you're seeing bits of lava

613
00:23:55,260 --> 00:23:53,830
you're seeing bits of quartz you're

614
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:55,270
seeing silicas you're seeing all these

615
00:24:01,320 --> 00:23:57,850
different minerals and when you see

616
00:24:03,570 --> 00:24:01,330
something go from grey to white white to

617
00:24:05,460 --> 00:24:03,580
black sometimes what you're seeing is

618
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:05,470
shadow line sometimes what you're seeing

619
00:24:12,060 --> 00:24:09,250
is a difference in composition and all

620
00:24:15,660 --> 00:24:12,070
of that confuses a computer because a

621
00:24:17,730 --> 00:24:15,670
crater made in a dark area of soil and a

622
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:17,740
crater made in a light area of soil are

623
00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:19,930
going to look different and then you

624
00:24:23,220 --> 00:24:21,910
have shadow angles to deal with because

625
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:23,230
sometimes the Sun is straight overhead

626
00:24:27,690 --> 00:24:24,970
sometimes the Sun is at a steep angle

627
00:24:29,790 --> 00:24:27,700
depending on the image all of these

628
00:24:32,570 --> 00:24:29,800
different factors lead to computers

629
00:24:35,850 --> 00:24:32,580
being may be very good at finding one

630
00:24:38,460 --> 00:24:35,860
size of crater one type of Crater one

631
00:24:41,790 --> 00:24:38,470
type of Crater and one type of soil but

632
00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:41,800
they can't understand the diversity of

633
00:24:47,610 --> 00:24:43,510
all the different ways craters are

634
00:24:49,890 --> 00:24:47,620
shaped humans can't so how do you feel

635
00:24:52,290 --> 00:24:49,900
about hogeland's interpretation of

636
00:24:54,270 --> 00:24:52,300
certain moon images as being like

637
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:54,280
ancient civilizations and that kind of

638
00:24:58,380 --> 00:24:56,080
thing from some photos that have come

639
00:25:00,210 --> 00:24:58,390
back his interpretation of those photos

640
00:25:02,460 --> 00:25:00,220
he really needs to get a look at the

641
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:02,470
high-resolution images because really

642
00:25:08,820 --> 00:25:05,650
the moon is volcanoes craters fault

643
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:08,830
lines rocks more rocks a few more rocks

644
00:25:12,210 --> 00:25:10,450
or a few more craters and that's really

645
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:12,220
all that's there other than crashed and

646
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:14,170
left behind spacecraft and there are

647
00:25:18,060 --> 00:25:16,570
spacecraft and Russian spacecraft yeah

648
00:25:20,010 --> 00:25:18,070
the Russian one that looks like a really

649
00:25:23,910 --> 00:25:20,020
big toilet with the solar thing that's

650
00:25:25,950 --> 00:25:23,920
really amazing I would never put it that

651
00:25:27,330 --> 00:25:25,960
way it does because it flips up like

652
00:25:29,670 --> 00:25:27,340
that looks like the toilet seat back

653
00:25:31,860 --> 00:25:29,680
it's true I wouldn't have put it that

654
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:31,870
way but yes the the Russians did build

655
00:25:35,130 --> 00:25:34,000
things that flipped open and I can see

656
00:25:37,980 --> 00:25:35,140
why you would say that they look like

657
00:25:39,270 --> 00:25:37,990
toilets look where can people find out

658
00:25:40,740 --> 00:25:39,280
more about what you do and listen to

659
00:25:42,150 --> 00:25:40,750
your podcast and get some more of the

660
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:42,160
straight juice although

661
00:25:45,540 --> 00:25:43,840
I think I prolly still will be watching

662
00:25:48,270 --> 00:25:45,550
william shedd as weird or what I just

663
00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:48,280
gotta think I'm a connoisseur of bad

664
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:50,110
science myself but if you want to hear

665
00:25:53,910 --> 00:25:51,610
the good science you can check out

666
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:53,920
astronomy cast at astronomy cast calm

667
00:25:58,380 --> 00:25:56,080
and if you want to do science we have a

668
00:26:01,380 --> 00:25:58,390
variety of different projects at cosmic

669
00:26:02,610 --> 00:26:01,390
west o RG and what's the litmus test for

670
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:02,620
all of us when you think that

671
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:03,760
something's not quite right or

672
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:05,650
something's up in the astronomical world

673
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:06,610
you know hang on that doesn't seem quite

674
00:26:13,500 --> 00:26:09,850
right what's a simple test for it can it

675
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:13,510
be repeated and if you can't repeat it

676
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:15,520
because let's face it sometimes you get

677
00:26:20,340 --> 00:26:16,810
lucky and you see a once-in-a-lifetime

678
00:26:24,290 --> 00:26:20,350
event can you explain it using physics

679
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,300
of similar things otherwise be tight on

680
00:26:33,450 --> 00:26:26,320
otherwise you probably had a glitch in

681
00:26:40,379 --> 00:26:37,419
world ladies and gentlemen dr. Harriet

682
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:40,389
Hall a Herod what he would talk to off i

683
00:26:44,769 --> 00:26:43,129
specialized in family practice and i was

684
00:26:47,649 --> 00:26:44,779
also a flight surgeon in the air force

685
00:26:50,259 --> 00:26:47,659
well is there a certain personality with

686
00:26:53,649 --> 00:26:50,269
guys that fly fighter planes as opposed

687
00:26:55,479 --> 00:26:53,659
to bombers are they much more aggressive

688
00:26:58,529 --> 00:26:55,489
is ever certain different personality

689
00:27:01,539 --> 00:26:58,539
with a fighter type there is certainly a

690
00:27:06,190 --> 00:27:01,549
mythology that there is they're famous

691
00:27:07,570 --> 00:27:06,200
for thinking there they can they can do

692
00:27:10,239 --> 00:27:07,580
anything and they're never going to die

693
00:27:11,889 --> 00:27:10,249
and there they take risks or I think

694
00:27:14,169 --> 00:27:11,899
there's a certain personality that goes

695
00:27:16,029 --> 00:27:14,179
for that sort of thing and what

696
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:16,039
attracted you to doing flot medicine in

697
00:27:20,619 --> 00:27:18,799
the first place well I was already in

698
00:27:26,169 --> 00:27:20,629
the Air Force I had done an Air Force

699
00:27:29,580 --> 00:27:26,179
internship and I was in a family

700
00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:29,590
practice residency in the Air Force and

701
00:27:34,989 --> 00:27:33,289
a friend of mine had a small plane and

702
00:27:36,909 --> 00:27:34,999
he took me up in it one day let me take

703
00:27:39,249 --> 00:27:36,919
the controls and I got hooked I learned

704
00:27:41,169 --> 00:27:39,259
to fly and bought my own plane and then

705
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:41,179
I found out that flight surgeons got to

706
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:42,799
take care of people who flew and they

707
00:27:46,629 --> 00:27:44,210
got to right along an air force our

708
00:27:48,729 --> 00:27:46,639
plane so I said great i can combine two

709
00:27:51,970 --> 00:27:48,739
of my passions medicine and flying so i

710
00:27:53,499 --> 00:27:51,980
did and how many g's can you take with

711
00:27:56,649 --> 00:27:53,509
that squeezing thing haggle with you

712
00:28:00,849 --> 00:27:56,659
I've never been tested most most of my

713
00:28:04,779 --> 00:28:00,859
flight time was in helicopters and not

714
00:28:07,419 --> 00:28:04,789
doing maneuvers that would cause a lot

715
00:28:11,049 --> 00:28:07,429
of geez i did get to fly some in the FB

716
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:11,059
111 which is a supersonic aircraft but

717
00:28:15,009 --> 00:28:12,710
we were not allowed to break the sound

718
00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:15,019
barrier was that the one with the

719
00:28:19,539 --> 00:28:18,289
swing-wing yes it was yes we had them in

720
00:28:21,820 --> 00:28:19,549
Australia as well I wish I could

721
00:28:23,349 --> 00:28:21,830
remember the name of the f-111 we called

722
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:23,359
them but they have a nickname or

723
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:26,690
anything oh it seems like it did but I

724
00:28:31,450 --> 00:28:28,730
can't remember now what it was the FB

725
00:28:34,060 --> 00:28:31,460
111 is and if as an f-111 that's fitted

726
00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:34,070
with bombs so it's the same airplane but

727
00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:36,049
it carries bummed did you ever go to any

728
00:28:39,849 --> 00:28:37,609
theater where there was any actual

729
00:28:42,690 --> 00:28:39,859
action whether it was fighting no

730
00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:42,700
because back then during

731
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:45,310
I was in during Vietnam and they

732
00:28:51,900 --> 00:28:48,640
wouldn't send women to combat zones so

733
00:28:54,860 --> 00:28:51,910
it was okay for nurses but physicians no

734
00:28:58,110 --> 00:28:54,870
yes and I never understood that because

735
00:29:00,840 --> 00:28:58,120
doctors didn't go out on the battlefield

736
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:00,850
they were working in hospitals in the

737
00:29:06,030 --> 00:29:04,210
theater I know a nurse who took up a gun

738
00:29:08,370 --> 00:29:06,040
and defended her patients when her

739
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:08,380
hospital was attacked in Vietnam so I

740
00:29:12,210 --> 00:29:10,510
doesn't didn't make any sense to me that

741
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:12,220
they couldn't send me over there to work

742
00:29:16,670 --> 00:29:14,050
in a hospital but if they wanted to keep

743
00:29:20,010 --> 00:29:16,680
me safe that was all right with me and

744
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:20,020
as dark as a doctor and I get this with

745
00:29:23,730 --> 00:29:22,240
a lot of professionals that are deeply

746
00:29:25,980 --> 00:29:23,740
involved with various sorts of Medicine

747
00:29:28,410 --> 00:29:25,990
what really annoys you in the world of

748
00:29:29,940 --> 00:29:28,420
blue and the world of alternative

749
00:29:34,170 --> 00:29:29,950
medicine mozzarella really annoys you

750
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:34,180
the most when you see it well it's hard

751
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:38,890
to say I guess maybe homeopathy because

752
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:40,810
that's the most ridiculous thing of all

753
00:29:46,350 --> 00:29:43,840
the idea that you can dilute everything

754
00:29:48,090 --> 00:29:46,360
out of out of a remedy and have the

755
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:48,100
water remember something that it's

756
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:49,570
supposed to remember is just so

757
00:29:54,750 --> 00:29:53,200
completely illogical and stupid yes not

758
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:54,760
at that annoys me but I don't think it

759
00:29:58,740 --> 00:29:56,650
does much harm I think the most of the

760
00:30:00,530 --> 00:29:58,750
harm is in the people who are against

761
00:30:06,750 --> 00:30:00,540
vaccines and some of the other areas

762
00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:06,760
what about Bach Flower Remedies they

763
00:30:12,390 --> 00:30:10,510
smell good no I wrote an article about

764
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:12,400
that on the science-based medicine blog

765
00:30:16,370 --> 00:30:13,810
recently there's not a shred of evidence

766
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:16,380
to support them it's just total

767
00:30:20,430 --> 00:30:18,370
imagination but there are people who

768
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:20,440
swear by them I'm trying to say that to

769
00:30:24,510 --> 00:30:22,240
work to one or two girls at work and

770
00:30:26,220 --> 00:30:24,520
they swear by Rescue Remedy now is

771
00:30:29,220 --> 00:30:26,230
rescue remedy and homeopathy thing I was

772
00:30:33,180 --> 00:30:29,230
at a bar what is that way it's a Bach

773
00:30:35,790 --> 00:30:33,190
Flower Remedies our system is a sort of

774
00:30:39,380 --> 00:30:35,800
a subdivision of homeopathy because the

775
00:30:42,750 --> 00:30:39,390
flower essences are highly diluted and

776
00:30:46,350 --> 00:30:42,760
rescue remedy works because placebo is

777
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:46,360
work if if you're not feeling well and

778
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:48,010
you take something that you think is

779
00:30:53,130 --> 00:30:50,080
going to help you you're likely to think

780
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:53,140
you feel better now is there any with

781
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:55,570
you condom subscribe to do you ever

782
00:30:59,130 --> 00:30:57,490
my peps have a casual glance at your

783
00:31:00,900 --> 00:30:59,140
horoscope do you ever take more vitamins

784
00:31:03,810 --> 00:31:00,910
when you don't really need to is there

785
00:31:06,780 --> 00:31:03,820
anything you you fall prey to yourself

786
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:06,790
well the closest I could come is that I

787
00:31:13,290 --> 00:31:08,650
used to take a multivitamin for

788
00:31:15,090 --> 00:31:13,300
psychotherapy how much surely LSD or

789
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:15,100
ecstasy would be as effective as that

790
00:31:21,330 --> 00:31:17,370
wouldn't it well what I mean is that I

791
00:31:23,700 --> 00:31:21,340
don't always eat in the most healthy

792
00:31:25,530 --> 00:31:23,710
foods so i would take a multivitamin and

793
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:25,540
say well now i don't have to worry about

794
00:31:28,940 --> 00:31:27,370
it because I got my vitamin so I can eat

795
00:31:32,190 --> 00:31:28,950
eat things that I shouldn't be eating

796
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:32,200
but I knew it really wasn't rational and

797
00:31:37,770 --> 00:31:34,960
finally one day I saw some research that

798
00:31:40,770 --> 00:31:37,780
said that with postmenopausal women were

799
00:31:42,750 --> 00:31:40,780
more likely to have fractures if they

800
00:31:44,730 --> 00:31:42,760
took vitamin A which is in all the

801
00:31:46,890 --> 00:31:44,740
multivitamins so I stopped taking it

802
00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:46,900
right then and there and how are your

803
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:48,670
bones anyway but had any scans Harley

804
00:31:53,340 --> 00:31:51,310
I've had a scan and I'm fine and of

805
00:31:55,260 --> 00:31:53,350
course I would out to everybody they get

806
00:31:56,430 --> 00:31:55,270
your pelvic floor muscle going as early

807
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:56,440
as possible is that a good thing for

808
00:32:01,550 --> 00:31:58,330
women like it should be me their 20s be

809
00:32:04,820 --> 00:32:01,560
working on it that the Kegel exercises I

810
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:04,830
don't I have never seen any evidence of

811
00:32:10,050 --> 00:32:07,810
studies on women who did it in their 20s

812
00:32:11,670 --> 00:32:10,060
so I really can't comment and what is

813
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:11,680
the one thing we can do is a preventive

814
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:13,600
thing that's very easy that we overlook

815
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:15,250
all the time that you think I'm silly

816
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:17,440
people you should be doing that tell you

817
00:32:21,510 --> 00:32:19,840
what I overlooked exercise I'm a couch

818
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:21,520
potato and I know it would be good for

819
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:23,290
me but I just can't make myself do it

820
00:32:27,540 --> 00:32:25,810
look I I want to say this on this first

821
00:32:30,690 --> 00:32:27,550
I actually bought a pair of Spanx this

822
00:32:32,850 --> 00:32:30,700
week for men and they pulled you in a

823
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:32,860
bit like William Shatner yeah and I

824
00:32:36,660 --> 00:32:34,960
think that's kind of cool but you know

825
00:32:38,010 --> 00:32:36,670
I'll look good but I'll still died 5

826
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:38,020
years early because I'm not exercising

827
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:40,480
is just walking around simple exercising

828
00:32:47,970 --> 00:32:43,810
yes so any activity is good in fact a

829
00:32:50,820 --> 00:32:47,980
lot of the exercise advice now is just

830
00:32:52,770 --> 00:32:50,830
do more go out and garden do your

831
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:52,780
housework walk around the house client

832
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:54,490
take the stairs instead of the elevator

833
00:32:58,410 --> 00:32:56,410
just simple little things anything that

834
00:33:01,920 --> 00:32:58,420
increases your activity level is on the

835
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:01,930
good side and dr. Harriet whole um I can

836
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:03,610
call your doctor even a retired is that

837
00:33:08,690 --> 00:33:04,960
is it like the president I can still

838
00:33:10,670 --> 00:33:08,700
clear dr. afterwards yes um what makes

839
00:33:12,290 --> 00:33:10,680
shake your fist at the television I mean

840
00:33:14,090 --> 00:33:12,300
because there's Fox News there's all

841
00:33:15,740 --> 00:33:14,100
sorts of things on CNN they have their

842
00:33:18,110 --> 00:33:15,750
little medicine moment what's the one

843
00:33:19,820 --> 00:33:18,120
that really you throw the foam brick at

844
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:19,830
the television and make your husband

845
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:23,690
angry and PBS public broadcasting

846
00:33:30,740 --> 00:33:28,530
station it puts up all kinds of quack

847
00:33:32,150 --> 00:33:30,750
programs that are really infomercials

848
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:32,160
for the people that want to sell their

849
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:33,840
books and the one that I've been

850
00:33:37,970 --> 00:33:36,090
particularly involved with is dr. ayman

851
00:33:41,390 --> 00:33:37,980
I've written about him for Clark watch

852
00:33:45,140 --> 00:33:41,400
and for the the science-based medicine

853
00:33:47,870 --> 00:33:45,150
blog he does these beautiful brain scans

854
00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:47,880
and he gets pretty colored pictures and

855
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:50,310
he tells people he can see things that

856
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:53,840
are causing their ADHD or their various

857
00:33:59,090 --> 00:33:57,210
psychological problems or addiction

858
00:34:01,370 --> 00:33:59,100
disorders he says look there's a red

859
00:34:03,710 --> 00:34:01,380
spot on the scan that that's where your

860
00:34:06,650 --> 00:34:03,720
problem is is he looking to certain part

861
00:34:08,990 --> 00:34:06,660
of the brain was he doing well he's

862
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:09,000
doing a legitimate scan but he's reading

863
00:34:13,850 --> 00:34:11,850
things into them that he has no evidence

864
00:34:15,710 --> 00:34:13,860
for and he's charging people thousands

865
00:34:17,540 --> 00:34:15,720
of dollars and he's telling them the

866
00:34:19,730 --> 00:34:17,550
same things that you could have told him

867
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:19,740
without doing the scans and how does he

868
00:34:22,730 --> 00:34:21,210
allegedly cue them as he's selling

869
00:34:24,260 --> 00:34:22,740
something as well or was he got some

870
00:34:27,980 --> 00:34:24,270
little alternative treatment what's he's

871
00:34:30,260 --> 00:34:27,990
what's his line he pushes a lot of diet

872
00:34:33,470 --> 00:34:30,270
supplements that have not been tested

873
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:33,480
and proven and do you think in the

874
00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:35,850
psychiatric realm diet supplements are

875
00:34:42,620 --> 00:34:39,510
kind of useful or at the worst harmless

876
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:42,630
or can they do more damage in that well

877
00:34:46,940 --> 00:34:44,970
there is no evidence for them there's

878
00:34:49,090 --> 00:34:46,950
there's a lot of claims out there for

879
00:34:51,020 --> 00:34:49,100
everything you can think of and

880
00:34:53,210 --> 00:34:51,030
particularly with something like autism

881
00:34:55,330 --> 00:34:53,220
where there isn't a good simple medical

882
00:34:57,410 --> 00:34:55,340
treatment there are some effective

883
00:34:59,740 --> 00:34:57,420
psychological treatments educational

884
00:35:01,790 --> 00:34:59,750
treatments that have been devised but

885
00:35:03,590 --> 00:35:01,800
everybody has jumped on the autism

886
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:03,600
bandwagon and they're they're trying to

887
00:35:11,540 --> 00:35:07,770
sell this that everything to autistic

888
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,550
kids was all kinds of claims and if you

889
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:13,200
could with some sort of magic wand at

890
00:35:16,940 --> 00:35:14,970
the amazing meeting here is there's one

891
00:35:19,130 --> 00:35:16,950
thing you could cure what would it be

892
00:35:20,260 --> 00:35:19,140
there's so many illnesses out there what

893
00:35:22,210 --> 00:35:20,270
would be the one if you

894
00:35:25,290 --> 00:35:22,220
to pick one it's very difficult as a

895
00:35:28,170 --> 00:35:25,300
doctor because you see them all time

896
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:28,180
again it would be really hard to choose

897
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:30,800
diabetes would be a good candidate I

898
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:33,440
won't say cancer because cancer is many

899
00:35:37,390 --> 00:35:34,730
different illnesses there are so many

900
00:35:40,540 --> 00:35:37,400
different kinds but diabetic diabetes is

901
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:40,550
a big problem and a growing problem do

902
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:41,690
you think though that is because we

903
00:35:45,370 --> 00:35:43,520
aren't exercising evading too much sugar

904
00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:45,380
is that it or is it not as simple as

905
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:48,110
that it's not as simple as that but if

906
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:50,720
people ate right and didn't gain too

907
00:35:53,470 --> 00:35:52,130
much weight it would go a long ways

908
00:35:55,540 --> 00:35:53,480
towards cutting the incidence of

909
00:35:57,070 --> 00:35:55,550
diabetes down and what are you gonna be

910
00:35:59,260 --> 00:35:57,080
doing here at Tim what are you up to you

911
00:36:01,870 --> 00:35:59,270
of doing this some stand-up comedy some

912
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:01,880
mime what he got to I'm going to be

913
00:36:08,530 --> 00:36:05,930
participating in a workshop oh and we

914
00:36:10,210 --> 00:36:08,540
call it dr. Google about people people

915
00:36:13,060 --> 00:36:10,220
who google for medical information

916
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:13,070
you're on there with dr. Richie now my

917
00:36:20,260 --> 00:36:17,690
dad he's about 83 85 and he really

918
00:36:21,940 --> 00:36:20,270
really forced me to go online and get a

919
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:21,950
book for him there's some American

920
00:36:25,090 --> 00:36:23,450
doctor she has a thing about a liver

921
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:25,100
diet or something I don't know what her

922
00:36:28,660 --> 00:36:26,450
name is but he forced me to go on an

923
00:36:31,390 --> 00:36:28,670
order her book which was 36 Australian I

924
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:31,400
was delivered and he was thinking he was

925
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:33,200
really concerned about his bilirubin

926
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:35,330
level now if my dad was listening to

927
00:36:38,770 --> 00:36:37,250
this is the bilirubin level in the liver

928
00:36:40,990 --> 00:36:38,780
something you should be obsessed with

929
00:36:43,870 --> 00:36:41,000
like my daddy's or is it an indicator of

930
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:43,880
something else bilirubin can be a sign

931
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:46,130
of liver disease but there is a range of

932
00:36:50,530 --> 00:36:48,890
normal and I haven't heard of that diet

933
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:50,540
you're talking about I don't know what

934
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:52,610
what that's a new one for me I'll have

935
00:36:55,870 --> 00:36:54,170
to look that up when I get home oh you

936
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:55,880
know it doc doc doc dr. ride she was

937
00:36:59,200 --> 00:36:57,290
into that going I'll just tell your dad

938
00:37:00,760 --> 00:36:59,210
to exercise a bit more and eat carefully

939
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:00,770
but you know he just wants to know he's

940
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:02,330
obsessed with his bilirubin level for

941
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:04,010
some reason none of the other indicators

942
00:37:07,930 --> 00:37:06,110
just that particular one for some reason

943
00:37:09,100 --> 00:37:07,940
but when you're 85 I imagine you know

944
00:37:12,130 --> 00:37:09,110
you Lee would be taken with a knock

945
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:12,140
anyway wouldn't yes and if you if you do

946
00:37:15,730 --> 00:37:14,210
20 lab tests on a perfectly normal

947
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:15,740
person one of them will come out outside

948
00:37:19,450 --> 00:37:17,690
the normal range just because of the way

949
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:19,460
we determine normal ranges there is a

950
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:21,920
bell curve and just like some people are

951
00:37:25,690 --> 00:37:23,810
very tall and some people are very short

952
00:37:27,490 --> 00:37:25,700
some people have levels that are at the

953
00:37:31,180 --> 00:37:27,500
extremes but there's still perfectly

954
00:37:32,290 --> 00:37:31,190
normal so just having having a lab tests

955
00:37:34,090 --> 00:37:32,300
show something

956
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:34,100
is meaningless by itself you have to put

957
00:37:38,350 --> 00:37:35,450
it in context with all the other

958
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:38,360
information because my dad has a hobby

959
00:37:42,610 --> 00:37:40,090
it's called going to the doctor and

960
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:42,620
because of that I've gone a bit the

961
00:37:48,030 --> 00:37:44,450
other way like my dad's hassling me

962
00:37:50,380 --> 00:37:48,040
about is it psi for the prostate cancer

963
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:50,390
you know there's prostitute specific

964
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:53,330
antigen PSA yeah and he's hounding me to

965
00:37:57,550 --> 00:37:55,520
get that done I'm not 58 I'm going it's

966
00:37:59,830 --> 00:37:57,560
okay dad i won't i won't he hounded me

967
00:38:04,090 --> 00:37:59,840
to get a bowel scan and i went to a

968
00:38:05,590 --> 00:38:04,100
specialist he met why are you here so

969
00:38:07,450 --> 00:38:05,600
yes because there's no history that kind

970
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:07,460
of thing in the family so uh my dad is

971
00:38:12,670 --> 00:38:09,890
um yeah so I'm worried that I won't go

972
00:38:14,590 --> 00:38:12,680
to the doctor but I have to know the PSA

973
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,600
is a very useful test but it's not

974
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:16,160
useful for screening the general

975
00:38:21,550 --> 00:38:19,010
population because it picks up a lot of

976
00:38:23,170 --> 00:38:21,560
early cancers it picks up some cancers

977
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:23,180
that would never have developed into

978
00:38:26,430 --> 00:38:24,890
anything that would hurt the person and

979
00:38:28,930 --> 00:38:26,440
there are some pretty serious

980
00:38:30,970 --> 00:38:28,940
consequences to prostate surgery and

981
00:38:33,220 --> 00:38:30,980
there have been some good studies of

982
00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:33,230
this and some major medical groups have

983
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:35,990
come out and said it does more harm than

984
00:38:41,050 --> 00:38:38,720
good to screen the general population so

985
00:38:42,850 --> 00:38:41,060
it's not a good screening test and it's

986
00:38:44,890 --> 00:38:42,860
also not good to go looking up on google

987
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:44,900
i remember when i had a sinus problem i

988
00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:46,160
had to have an operation to block some

989
00:38:49,060 --> 00:38:47,510
sort of some blockage there i looked it

990
00:38:52,300 --> 00:38:49,070
up and of course i thought i had sinus

991
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:52,310
cancer which is particularly nasty and I

992
00:38:56,170 --> 00:38:54,050
thought for a day or two I was I was

993
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:56,180
going to die until the you nose and

994
00:38:59,830 --> 00:38:57,770
throat man said no and I would just do

995
00:39:02,410 --> 00:38:59,840
that that's fine dr. Google is a bit

996
00:39:04,030 --> 00:39:02,420
dangerous isn't it it certainly is and

997
00:39:08,860 --> 00:39:04,040
that's what our workshop is going to be

998
00:39:11,050 --> 00:39:08,870
talking about how to find a believable

999
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:11,060
information and not fall for all of the

1000
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:13,040
misinformation that dr. Google would

1001
00:39:18,070 --> 00:39:15,290
like to give you is the one website we

1002
00:39:20,410 --> 00:39:18,080
could go to in fact when I saw what was

1003
00:39:23,620 --> 00:39:20,420
it the movie made in America which was

1004
00:39:25,390 --> 00:39:23,630
about autism they were saying go to

1005
00:39:26,830 --> 00:39:25,400
PubMed and look up all these studies and

1006
00:39:28,420 --> 00:39:26,840
you'll see that mercury is incredibly

1007
00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:28,430
bad and all these things are this going

1008
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:30,110
on so after the movie i went to pubmed

1009
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:32,480
and i was very confused because that's

1010
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:34,910
designed for doctors and I rang dr. Rach

1011
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:36,770
I was going and what does this mean she

1012
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:38,480
said no that means the exact opposite of

1013
00:39:41,770 --> 00:39:40,400
what you think it means and that's not a

1014
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:41,780
good study this study over here is a

1015
00:39:44,460 --> 00:39:43,760
good one so just going to pubmed for the

1016
00:39:45,839 --> 00:39:44,470
lame

1017
00:39:47,970 --> 00:39:45,849
there's not a good idea you can end up

1018
00:39:49,830 --> 00:39:47,980
getting much more confused got you you

1019
00:39:51,780 --> 00:39:49,840
certainly can but one thing you can look

1020
00:39:53,730 --> 00:39:51,790
for is the Cochrane reviews which are

1021
00:39:57,470 --> 00:39:53,740
all listed among all the other things on

1022
00:39:59,580 --> 00:39:57,480
PubMed if the cochrane group takes

1023
00:40:01,140 --> 00:39:59,590
everything that's been published and

1024
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:01,150
tries to make sense out of it and come

1025
00:40:05,970 --> 00:40:02,890
to a conclusion so they're usually

1026
00:40:07,470 --> 00:40:05,980
pretty trustworthy so apart from dealing

1027
00:40:08,580 --> 00:40:07,480
with our physician where is the place on

1028
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:08,590
the web we should go to is that a

1029
00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:09,970
website you just spoke about them we

1030
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:12,310
should check out you should go to quack

1031
00:40:17,849 --> 00:40:14,890
watch and you should go to science-based

1032
00:40:19,290 --> 00:40:17,859
medicine and where can we engage you in

1033
00:40:21,810 --> 00:40:19,300
conversation are you blogging away

1034
00:40:24,210 --> 00:40:21,820
they're fighting the good fight no I

1035
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:24,220
haven't even joined facebook but I do I

1036
00:40:28,410 --> 00:40:26,530
write an article about that history

1037
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:28,420
there's all those photos of you from the

1038
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:30,010
70s that you know we really don't want

1039
00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:33,119
to see them now I write an article on

1040
00:40:37,140 --> 00:40:35,710
science-based medicine every week and we

1041
00:40:41,010 --> 00:40:37,150
have a lot of conversations in the

1042
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:41,020
comments there and I have a website info

1043
00:40:46,970 --> 00:40:44,410
website I'm also active in the quack

1044
00:40:49,230 --> 00:40:46,980
watch health fraud discussion group so I

1045
00:40:51,810 --> 00:40:49,240
talked to people a lot in all those

1046
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:51,820
places and you don't do too many have

1047
00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:53,170
used this been okay I haven't been like

1048
00:40:56,579 --> 00:40:54,609
to weed or anything it was my shirt okay

1049
00:40:58,650 --> 00:40:56,589
it's a like a Playboy shirt I don't

1050
00:41:01,470 --> 00:40:58,660
guess yeah is that okay that's fine with

1051
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:01,480
me and you know you know I got in

1052
00:41:05,310 --> 00:41:03,280
trouble a couple of years ago because i

1053
00:41:08,310 --> 00:41:05,320
gave a talk on the anti-vaccine movement

1054
00:41:10,940 --> 00:41:08,320
and I mentioned Jenny McCarthy who was a

1055
00:41:13,740 --> 00:41:10,950
former Playboy and she's been

1056
00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:13,750
publicizing the vaccines are dangerous

1057
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:15,849
and talking people out of out of getting

1058
00:41:19,710 --> 00:41:18,310
vaccinated so I picked a picture off the

1059
00:41:22,250 --> 00:41:19,720
internet and it showed her in a bathing

1060
00:41:25,290 --> 00:41:22,260
suit I got criticized for being sexist

1061
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:25,300
that's kind of what she does I I quite

1062
00:41:28,109 --> 00:41:26,410
like the photo of her sitting on the

1063
00:41:30,060 --> 00:41:28,119
toilet that's kind of a cute one other

1064
00:41:31,890 --> 00:41:30,070
and tell me does Jim Carrey still push

1065
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:31,900
the anti-vaccination mine now he's not

1066
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:33,760
going out with it I've wondered that

1067
00:41:37,010 --> 00:41:35,410
myself I don't know I haven't heard

1068
00:41:39,150 --> 00:41:37,020
anything from him since they split up

1069
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:39,160
well thank you very much for your time

1070
00:41:42,540 --> 00:41:40,720
y'all me upstairs and really enjoy

1071
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:42,550
myself and this is my first time at tam

1072
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:44,490
what do you think I should look out for

1073
00:41:48,690 --> 00:41:46,810
just talk to people are some fascinating

1074
00:41:52,589 --> 00:41:48,700
people here it's great to get to know

1075
00:41:54,900 --> 00:41:52,599
strangers and one last question I'm like

1076
00:41:56,220 --> 00:41:54,910
to do a special the music of tan now

1077
00:41:57,700 --> 00:41:56,230
what music do you listen to i'm not

1078
00:41:59,440 --> 00:41:57,710
interested in particularly scare

1079
00:42:01,630 --> 00:41:59,450
tickle music but what's music you think

1080
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:01,640
hey that gets me in the right mood for

1081
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:03,530
being skeptical or just music you enjoy

1082
00:42:08,140 --> 00:42:05,599
is there something that's rather top of

1083
00:42:10,540 --> 00:42:08,150
that list when I'm in the car I let it

1084
00:42:12,430 --> 00:42:10,550
listen to country music now I have come

1085
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:12,440
across some hilarious country music

1086
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:14,810
songs that I just love like I want you

1087
00:42:20,589 --> 00:42:18,290
to love me like my dog does what about

1088
00:42:24,310 --> 00:42:20,599
my baby thinks my tractor's sexy that's

1089
00:42:27,730 --> 00:42:24,320
pretty good and there's one that we get

1090
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:27,740
a kick out of because it's about a girl

1091
00:42:31,540 --> 00:42:30,050
and high school going out on a date and

1092
00:42:34,300 --> 00:42:31,550
her father is sitting there cleaning his

1093
00:42:36,220 --> 00:42:34,310
gun and talking to the boy and he's in

1094
00:42:37,660 --> 00:42:36,230
there he says it's a daddy thing and

1095
00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:37,670
that's what my daughter's say about my

1096
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:40,910
husband's and so that's a daddy thing is

1097
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:44,210
he going on globes of a 12-gauge yet he

1098
00:42:48,220 --> 00:42:45,920
has quite a gun collection he's a gun

1099
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:48,230
enthusiast but he's never used them on

1100
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:51,530
any boyfriend's yet yeah yeah dr. Harry

1101
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:53,119
told thank you very much now look have a

1102
00:42:56,380 --> 00:42:54,650
great time here at Taman what's my

1103
00:43:18,759 --> 00:42:56,390
suggestion just yak to people isn't it

1104
00:43:22,999 --> 00:43:21,079
astronomy cast it takes a fact space

1105
00:43:24,890 --> 00:43:23,009
journey through the cosmos as it offers

1106
00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:24,900
listeners weekly discussions on

1107
00:43:30,499 --> 00:43:27,569
astronomical topics ranging from planets

1108
00:43:32,779 --> 00:43:30,509
to cosmology hosted by Fraser Cain of

1109
00:43:33,769 --> 00:43:32,789
Universe Today and myself dr. Pamela

1110
00:43:36,469 --> 00:43:33,779
gave southern illinois university

1111
00:43:38,329 --> 00:43:36,479
edwardsville this show brings the

1112
00:43:40,759 --> 00:43:38,339
questions of an avid astronomy lover

1113
00:43:42,859 --> 00:43:40,769
directly to an astronomer together

1114
00:43:44,420 --> 00:43:42,869
Fraser and I explore what is known and

1115
00:43:47,150 --> 00:43:44,430
being discovered about the universe

1116
00:43:49,249 --> 00:43:47,160
around us join us each week as we take a

1117
00:43:58,640 --> 00:43:49,259
fax space journey through the cosmos at

1118
00:44:01,069 --> 00:43:58,650
astronomy cast calm the Australian

1119
00:44:04,339 --> 00:44:01,079
skeptics National Convention for 2012

1120
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:04,349
starts on Friday November the 30th with

1121
00:44:08,599 --> 00:44:06,089
a cocktail evening and Melvin's

1122
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:08,609
immigration Museum where you can meet

1123
00:44:12,319 --> 00:44:10,650
and mingle with free and critical

1124
00:44:15,729 --> 00:44:12,329
thinkers and some of your favorite

1125
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:15,739
skeptics the convention theme is active

1126
00:44:20,930 --> 00:44:18,410
skepticism changing for the better and

1127
00:44:23,630 --> 00:44:20,940
continues over the first and second at

1128
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:23,640
this stunning spot theater at the

1129
00:44:30,410 --> 00:44:26,130
University of Melbourne the lineup so

1130
00:44:33,529 --> 00:44:30,420
far includes James Randi DJ Grothe Brian

1131
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:33,539
Thompson rebecca watson lawrence loom

1132
00:44:41,209 --> 00:44:37,440
ken harvey rachel dunlop richardsaunders

1133
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:41,219
adam van langenberg chrissy wilson lynn

1134
00:44:46,759 --> 00:44:45,089
kelly and many more a gala dinner will

1135
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:46,769
be held on the saturday night at

1136
00:44:54,759 --> 00:44:49,680
melbourne iconic art setter for more

1137
00:45:01,969 --> 00:44:58,239
www.fcn and click on the blue button

1138
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:01,979
labeled convention details here you'll

1139
00:45:07,069 --> 00:45:04,160
find more information on speakers

1140
00:45:09,799 --> 00:45:07,079
accommodation transport and a photo

1141
00:45:11,870 --> 00:45:09,809
gallery of the various venues

1142
00:45:13,969 --> 00:45:11,880
you can keep up with more details at the

1143
00:45:16,279 --> 00:45:13,979
facebook page curiously labeled

1144
00:45:19,009 --> 00:45:16,289
Australian skeptics national convention

1145
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:19,019
2012 and don't forget to follow us on

1146
00:45:26,569 --> 00:45:23,249
twitter at oz skep com the Australian

1147
00:45:48,010 --> 00:45:26,579
skeptics national convention 2012 your

1148
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,329
now I've come here today to the

1149
00:45:54,290 --> 00:45:52,800
University of Sydney in a glorious day

1150
00:45:56,329 --> 00:45:54,300
what a beautiful day it is outside the

1151
00:45:58,520 --> 00:45:56,339
burden singing out there in the

1152
00:46:01,970 --> 00:45:58,530
courtyards but we've come in here to a

1153
00:46:04,609 --> 00:46:01,980
lecture room which is empty thankfully

1154
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:04,619
for us I've come here to attract depart

1155
00:46:09,550 --> 00:46:07,440
from that truck driver out the window

1156
00:46:12,910 --> 00:46:09,560
that I've come here to talk to the

1157
00:46:17,570 --> 00:46:12,920
people from the young scientists of

1158
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:17,580
Australia we have June that thank you

1159
00:46:22,130 --> 00:46:19,890
and Charlotte on a shower right now

1160
00:46:25,339 --> 00:46:22,140
Charlotte let me let's start with you

1161
00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:25,349
you're the science liaison officer for

1162
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:28,020
this group and i met you just the other

1163
00:46:32,540 --> 00:46:31,410
day at the Australian Museum where I was

1164
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,550
there to take part in the mystery

1165
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:34,560
investigators quite a few weeks ago now

1166
00:46:38,690 --> 00:46:37,410
and during a little gap between shows i

1167
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:38,700
was wandering around looking at some of

1168
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:41,250
the other stands and exhibitions and

1169
00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:43,170
there you were and you were busily

1170
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:45,180
making or doing or demonstrating

1171
00:46:50,180 --> 00:46:48,330
something what was happening i was what

1172
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:50,190
was I making i was making mathematical

1173
00:46:55,810 --> 00:46:52,170
flip wallets that's where entitle for

1174
00:46:58,670 --> 00:46:55,820
them mathematical flip wallets mmm and

1175
00:47:02,570 --> 00:46:58,680
if anyone's familiar with the field of

1176
00:47:05,329 --> 00:47:02,580
topology an area of matts focusing on

1177
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:05,339
surfaces and how they interact and these

1178
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:07,710
are those wallets where you can open it

1179
00:47:13,490 --> 00:47:11,040
up and put a note on top of a piece of

1180
00:47:14,540 --> 00:47:13,500
ribbon and then close it and open it in

1181
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:14,550
the other direction and it suddenly

1182
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:16,650
trapped that's a nice i've seen those

1183
00:47:21,140 --> 00:47:18,930
that the kids have them know that and

1184
00:47:22,970 --> 00:47:21,150
there are glasses cases as well and you

1185
00:47:26,420 --> 00:47:22,980
may say you're showing kids how to make

1186
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:26,430
them yes Wow yes and it's nice to show

1187
00:47:29,690 --> 00:47:28,050
them something which they might be

1188
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:29,700
familiar with but don't necessarily know

1189
00:47:33,950 --> 00:47:31,920
how it works that's interesting so

1190
00:47:36,590 --> 00:47:33,960
you're here at the University studying

1191
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:36,600
science naturally what of course what

1192
00:47:41,940 --> 00:47:39,520
what made you interested in joining the

1193
00:47:44,190 --> 00:47:41,950
young scientists of Australian more

1194
00:47:45,810 --> 00:47:44,200
importantly what's it all about the

1195
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:45,820
young scientists of Australia is an

1196
00:47:51,390 --> 00:47:48,010
organization our model is promoting

1197
00:47:53,580 --> 00:47:51,400
science to the youth of Australia and to

1198
00:47:56,670 --> 00:47:53,590
that end we spend a lot of time involved

1199
00:47:59,700 --> 00:47:56,680
with them science camps and holiday

1200
00:48:03,000 --> 00:47:59,710
science schools run at universities all

1201
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:03,010
around Australia in my case I attended a

1202
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:05,200
couple of these science camps one of

1203
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:06,880
them the international science school

1204
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:09,250
run by the school of physics here at the

1205
00:48:13,590 --> 00:48:12,160
University of Sydney and the young

1206
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:13,600
scientists of Australia were running a

1207
00:48:20,580 --> 00:48:17,410
socials program the so two weeks running

1208
00:48:23,370 --> 00:48:20,590
socials all the time and what they did

1209
00:48:27,020 --> 00:48:23,380
seem to be what I was interested in

1210
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:27,030
there the cause of promoting science to

1211
00:48:33,180 --> 00:48:30,730
young people I I find quite an important

1212
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:33,190
one and so I joined and I haven't looked

1213
00:48:37,410 --> 00:48:35,650
back well I can identify with what

1214
00:48:38,910 --> 00:48:37,420
you're saying absolutely because that's

1215
00:48:40,380 --> 00:48:38,920
something there's my listeners know that

1216
00:48:43,410 --> 00:48:40,390
something very dear to my heart is

1217
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:43,420
promoting science and critical thinking

1218
00:48:48,030 --> 00:48:45,490
to the younger generation now what I

1219
00:48:50,310 --> 00:48:48,040
guess you're more primarily interested

1220
00:48:54,780 --> 00:48:50,320
in more University students would that

1221
00:48:57,390 --> 00:48:54,790
be right our main intake is from 15 year

1222
00:49:02,340 --> 00:48:57,400
olds and who attend science camps our

1223
00:49:04,050 --> 00:49:02,350
age range is sort of 14 to 26 so we sort

1224
00:49:07,980 --> 00:49:04,060
of cover the transition period between

1225
00:49:09,330 --> 00:49:07,990
school and I guess working life and so

1226
00:49:12,050 --> 00:49:09,340
we really get people when they're

1227
00:49:14,610 --> 00:49:12,060
starting to think for themselves i guess

1228
00:49:17,220 --> 00:49:14,620
and provide people with opportunities to

1229
00:49:19,260 --> 00:49:17,230
sort of spread what they know and what

1230
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:19,270
they're interested in and in parts of

1231
00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:22,000
science and scientific method because a

1232
00:49:25,770 --> 00:49:23,710
lot of people get confused I think

1233
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:25,780
science is just it's just a series of

1234
00:49:30,270 --> 00:49:27,910
facts where of course in the heart of

1235
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:30,280
science is more how you go about doing

1236
00:49:35,970 --> 00:49:34,000
things of course and you I was just

1237
00:49:37,499 --> 00:49:35,980
hearing just before you've been involved

1238
00:49:39,959 --> 00:49:37,509
in this organization and your

1239
00:49:41,759 --> 00:49:39,969
the color in the secretary but you've

1240
00:49:45,269 --> 00:49:41,769
been just about everything else I PDF

1241
00:49:48,569 --> 00:49:45,279
I've had every every almost every title

1242
00:49:50,909 --> 00:49:48,579
I can possibly get my hands on Charlotte

1243
00:49:52,589 --> 00:49:50,919
is actually it's actually the last one I

1244
00:49:54,989 --> 00:49:52,599
haven't I haven't done it's a bit like

1245
00:49:58,169 --> 00:49:54,999
Roger Federer not getting that finer

1246
00:49:59,969 --> 00:49:58,179
French Open titles and science liaison

1247
00:50:01,829 --> 00:49:59,979
to the final frontier and what's your

1248
00:50:05,509 --> 00:50:01,839
background well what gave you the

1249
00:50:08,699 --> 00:50:05,519
interest so I funnily enough we both

1250
00:50:12,539 --> 00:50:08,709
went to the same to Holliday side

1251
00:50:14,789 --> 00:50:12,549
schools but we didn't meet there so I I

1252
00:50:17,249 --> 00:50:14,799
joined after having gone to the first

1253
00:50:19,549 --> 00:50:17,259
holiday science school when I was hit

1254
00:50:22,649 --> 00:50:19,559
when I was 15 when I was in high school

1255
00:50:24,659 --> 00:50:22,659
and no these these guys they're being

1256
00:50:26,219 --> 00:50:24,669
the mentor has been the staff and they

1257
00:50:27,899 --> 00:50:26,229
were doing some science shows too and

1258
00:50:29,909 --> 00:50:27,909
they were called the young scientist of

1259
00:50:31,979 --> 00:50:29,919
Australia and it will give out

1260
00:50:34,379 --> 00:50:31,989
membership form saying if you'd like to

1261
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:34,389
be with like minded people or if you'd

1262
00:50:38,099 --> 00:50:36,249
like to hear from people who are in

1263
00:50:40,169 --> 00:50:38,109
university studying sites and if that

1264
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:40,179
sort of thing appeals to you then you

1265
00:50:46,259 --> 00:50:43,839
should you should join us and I did and

1266
00:50:49,019 --> 00:50:46,269
the thing that stands out most about

1267
00:50:51,870 --> 00:50:49,029
science is that it's the most fun filled

1268
00:50:54,509 --> 00:50:51,880
I think it's most enjoyable field in

1269
00:50:58,979 --> 00:50:54,519
academia a lot of your listeners would

1270
00:51:03,689 --> 00:50:58,989
be would be very aware of the charlatans

1271
00:51:06,269 --> 00:51:03,699
claims of um you know so pseudoscience

1272
00:51:08,339 --> 00:51:06,279
oh my listeners are very sure that I

1273
00:51:11,399 --> 00:51:08,349
could assure you everything I'm fine I

1274
00:51:13,559 --> 00:51:11,409
find really interesting is to is how

1275
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:13,569
they how they like to promote themselves

1276
00:51:18,599 --> 00:51:15,729
as being very romantic as being very

1277
00:51:19,979 --> 00:51:18,609
classical anything well it gives I'm not

1278
00:51:22,109 --> 00:51:19,989
interested you should say that because

1279
00:51:23,819 --> 00:51:22,119
we have the situation where so often

1280
00:51:25,769 --> 00:51:23,829
someone will come along saying that

1281
00:51:27,509 --> 00:51:25,779
they're the Maverick you know they've

1282
00:51:29,249 --> 00:51:27,519
got this new science but the rest of the

1283
00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:29,259
scientific community don't want you to

1284
00:51:35,009 --> 00:51:32,169
know all things that this effect now

1285
00:51:37,499 --> 00:51:35,019
history has shown us that once in a very

1286
00:51:39,689 --> 00:51:37,509
great while these people are actually on

1287
00:51:40,979 --> 00:51:39,699
to something but of course ninety-nine

1288
00:51:44,249 --> 00:51:40,989
point nine percent of the time they're

1289
00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:44,259
either deluded or just charlatans and as

1290
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:47,049
you say that's an interesting i spent

1291
00:51:52,169 --> 00:51:49,359
more the danger of that is that they

1292
00:51:53,819 --> 00:51:52,179
they might give off the view to people

1293
00:51:55,769 --> 00:51:53,829
who may be ignorant or two children who

1294
00:51:58,439 --> 00:51:55,779
may not know better that science is

1295
00:52:00,539 --> 00:51:58,449
somehow a dull and boring pursuit that

1296
00:52:04,529 --> 00:52:00,549
it's all numbers and facts and figures

1297
00:52:07,859 --> 00:52:04,539
or as you know where pseudoscience likes

1298
00:52:10,139 --> 00:52:07,869
to to hold a property of romance and of

1299
00:52:13,139 --> 00:52:10,149
enchantment north of things that are

1300
00:52:15,779 --> 00:52:13,149
beyond the possible which is completely

1301
00:52:17,849 --> 00:52:15,789
ridiculous if if anyone there is

1302
00:52:19,859 --> 00:52:17,859
anything to begin with biology or

1303
00:52:22,409 --> 00:52:19,869
physics or chemistry will know that

1304
00:52:25,049 --> 00:52:22,419
science is the most romantic academic

1305
00:52:28,529 --> 00:52:25,059
field you can possibly go in that if you

1306
00:52:31,379 --> 00:52:28,539
want to see things i want to be be be

1307
00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:31,389
used or enchanted by the world and

1308
00:52:35,699 --> 00:52:33,849
scientists be on sale anybody looking at

1309
00:52:40,049 --> 00:52:35,709
the recent videos coming back from

1310
00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:40,059
master you know it's breathtaking stuff

1311
00:52:48,089 --> 00:52:43,649
but it's also next to a magic priceless

1312
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:48,099
what has that got to you of course one

1313
00:52:51,569 --> 00:52:50,049
thing that we've come across in the

1314
00:52:53,099 --> 00:52:51,579
australian skeptics for many many years

1315
00:52:55,169 --> 00:52:53,109
is that the people promoting

1316
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:55,179
pseudoscience don't have to obey any any

1317
00:52:59,159 --> 00:52:57,729
particular laws of physics today i mean

1318
00:53:02,309 --> 00:52:59,169
i could just make things up as they go

1319
00:53:03,929 --> 00:53:02,319
along to suit them you know we see that

1320
00:53:05,639 --> 00:53:03,939
we see that all the time now this

1321
00:53:08,459 --> 00:53:05,649
organization the young scientists of

1322
00:53:11,669 --> 00:53:08,469
australia how far and wide are you

1323
00:53:14,759 --> 00:53:11,679
spread we have branches in sydney

1324
00:53:17,669 --> 00:53:14,769
melbourne brisbane and adelaide at the

1325
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:17,679
moment and we've had interest in

1326
00:53:23,249 --> 00:53:20,079
canberra but it's just not big enough to

1327
00:53:24,929 --> 00:53:23,259
sustain anything as yet i think i think

1328
00:53:27,929 --> 00:53:24,939
for the moment Adelaide Brisbane

1329
00:53:30,269 --> 00:53:27,939
Melbourne and Sydney in if you have a if

1330
00:53:33,779 --> 00:53:30,279
you have a child about 15 years old 15

1331
00:53:35,290 --> 00:53:33,789
to 25 and live in one of those cities

1332
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:35,300
one of the lucky ones

1333
00:53:40,180 --> 00:53:38,330
I think so again as I say I was very

1334
00:53:42,340 --> 00:53:40,190
impressed when I happened across your

1335
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:42,350
stand your table there at the Australian

1336
00:53:46,690 --> 00:53:44,530
Museum you were having enormous fun

1337
00:53:49,090 --> 00:53:46,700
definitely well I knew had children

1338
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surrounding you actually all busily

1339
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making this is this is this one of the

1340
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ID I hate to use these terms this is one

1341
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of the mission statements that you need

1342
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:00,050
to get out there and be seen I would say

1343
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:02,960
definitely I think having the motto

1344
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:04,610
promoting science to the youth of

1345
00:54:07,930 --> 00:54:06,650
Australia we definitely have to well

1346
00:54:12,010 --> 00:54:07,940
definitely getting out there and being

1347
00:54:14,350 --> 00:54:12,020
seen for me it's so much fun doing it I

1348
00:54:17,830 --> 00:54:14,360
had a set up with a board balanced on

1349
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:17,840
four eggs I should all know exactly and

1350
00:54:23,770 --> 00:54:21,890
and I said are you sure I weigh about 90

1351
00:54:25,390 --> 00:54:23,780
kilos and she and you said yes down on

1352
00:54:27,130 --> 00:54:25,400
the eggs and I thought this is it I was

1353
00:54:30,250 --> 00:54:27,140
associated on I was just waiting for the

1354
00:54:33,250 --> 00:54:30,260
party didn't have it I was quite amazing

1355
00:54:35,500 --> 00:54:33,260
and when a kid stands on that and you

1356
00:54:37,330 --> 00:54:35,510
see the look on their face when you say

1357
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:37,340
there are four eggs holding you up

1358
00:54:42,460 --> 00:54:39,920
that's just the best look on my the best

1359
00:54:44,260 --> 00:54:42,470
or yours yes or any of the other

1360
00:54:47,770 --> 00:54:44,270
exhibitors actually everyone seemed

1361
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:47,780
quite impressed with it yeah and so it's

1362
00:54:54,610 --> 00:54:51,890
fun for us as well as as you know our PI

1363
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:54,620
mighty cause or whatever it's just plain

1364
00:55:01,600 --> 00:54:56,720
fun and that's the other thing that why

1365
00:55:03,310 --> 00:55:01,610
i say offers i think is as well as sort

1366
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:03,320
of opening up a world of opportunity in

1367
00:55:09,730 --> 00:55:06,890
science communication and allowing us to

1368
00:55:12,310 --> 00:55:09,740
sort of promote our our views and our

1369
00:55:14,590 --> 00:55:12,320
causes it's just a nice place for like

1370
00:55:17,530 --> 00:55:14,600
minded people to be you'd think would be

1371
00:55:20,410 --> 00:55:17,540
a bunch of people who might be classed

1372
00:55:23,020 --> 00:55:20,420
as nerds at school but surprisingly

1373
00:55:27,130 --> 00:55:23,030
we're actually very very socially

1374
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:27,140
competent no service to me I must say

1375
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:29,970
you two gonna have the most fun anyway

1376
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:32,250
we sort of offer somewhere both the

1377
00:55:40,460 --> 00:55:35,280
people who might not who might be a

1378
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:40,470
little too academically inclined to it's

1379
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:42,930
really difficult to phrase this people

1380
00:55:49,580 --> 00:55:45,690
who yeah the people who might be a bit

1381
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:49,590
more science or uninterested we provide

1382
00:55:53,810 --> 00:55:50,970
a place for people to come out of their

1383
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:53,820
shells or people to just as you there

1384
00:55:58,670 --> 00:55:55,920
are stones not always the best place for

1385
00:56:00,170 --> 00:55:58,680
everyone ya feel like they belong but we

1386
00:56:01,849 --> 00:56:00,180
have some real social butterflies as

1387
00:56:04,730 --> 00:56:01,859
well that's we've got it we've got a

1388
00:56:07,310 --> 00:56:04,740
really wide variety of members which i

1389
00:56:10,370 --> 00:56:07,320
think is great yeah and I guess school

1390
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:10,380
as with with the world at large anyway

1391
00:56:16,099 --> 00:56:13,410
that there's always a place for is a big

1392
00:56:18,260 --> 00:56:16,109
place of sports people people who are no

1393
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:18,270
greater physical feats but if you I

1394
00:56:21,710 --> 00:56:19,680
think we could hear some of them out the

1395
00:56:23,890 --> 00:56:21,720
window right now actually doing this

1396
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:23,900
boarding things in but you're if you're

1397
00:56:28,250 --> 00:56:26,130
particularly in high school there there

1398
00:56:31,010 --> 00:56:28,260
isn't really an outlet for for

1399
00:56:32,990 --> 00:56:31,020
scientific endeavor and so if you if I

1400
00:56:34,849 --> 00:56:33,000
guess if you have a high school child

1401
00:56:35,900 --> 00:56:34,859
who's quite interested in science but

1402
00:56:38,450 --> 00:56:35,910
doesn't know what a channel that

1403
00:56:40,190 --> 00:56:38,460
enthusiasm and where we're sort of there

1404
00:56:42,380 --> 00:56:40,200
for that niche market well some of the

1405
00:56:44,990 --> 00:56:42,390
greatest social gatherings I've ever

1406
00:56:47,329 --> 00:56:45,000
been to our the the mega conventions in

1407
00:56:49,820 --> 00:56:47,339
the United States based around science

1408
00:56:51,290 --> 00:56:49,830
and skepticism in Las Vegas I go to on

1409
00:56:54,140 --> 00:56:51,300
every year called the amazing meeting

1410
00:56:55,820 --> 00:56:54,150
it's got over a thousand people as they

1411
00:56:57,380 --> 00:56:55,830
say you come to this meeting and spend

1412
00:56:59,810 --> 00:56:57,390
time with a thousand of your closest

1413
00:57:02,030 --> 00:56:59,820
friends attendance it's a fantastic to

1414
00:57:03,620 --> 00:57:02,040
everybody has a really great time apart

1415
00:57:06,260 --> 00:57:03,630
from their wonderful things we learn as

1416
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:06,270
the social aspect on we call it drinking

1417
00:57:10,220 --> 00:57:08,640
skeptically and speaking of which I was

1418
00:57:12,740 --> 00:57:10,230
just telling you earlier before the

1419
00:57:14,420 --> 00:57:12,750
microphone went on that we have skeptics

1420
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:14,430
in the pub of course and I can see the

1421
00:57:19,420 --> 00:57:18,089
twinkle in your eye which is a in many

1422
00:57:23,170 --> 00:57:19,430
cities around the world

1423
00:57:25,809 --> 00:57:23,180
have and towns have skeptics in the pub

1424
00:57:27,490 --> 00:57:25,819
and the one in Sydney is every month so

1425
00:57:30,010 --> 00:57:27,500
I hope that you might come along and

1426
00:57:32,530 --> 00:57:30,020
have a look because as you know I'll be

1427
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:32,540
a pleasure to mmm definitely I think

1428
00:57:37,230 --> 00:57:34,970
you'd enjoy it I think it enjoyed now if

1429
00:57:39,370 --> 00:57:37,240
people want to know more young

1430
00:57:40,930 --> 00:57:39,380
scientists and interested people

1431
00:57:43,210 --> 00:57:40,940
especially if you're going to university

1432
00:57:45,849 --> 00:57:43,220
where can people go what's the website

1433
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:45,859
people should be looking at our website

1434
00:57:54,910 --> 00:57:51,650
is why I say ok you / Sydney replace

1435
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:54,920
Sydney with your city of interest if you

1436
00:57:58,960 --> 00:57:57,050
don't happen to be local here I guess if

1437
00:58:00,460 --> 00:57:58,970
you're if you have children or if you

1438
00:58:02,890 --> 00:58:00,470
have friends or children who might be

1439
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:02,900
interested in getting their foot in the

1440
00:58:07,780 --> 00:58:04,730
door in the scientific community and

1441
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:07,790
where were the people for you also if

1442
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:09,680
you have if you're a teacher and if

1443
00:58:14,020 --> 00:58:11,690
you'd like us to visit and show you

1444
00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:14,030
actually how fun signs can be this

1445
00:58:19,359 --> 00:58:17,089
morning as that sounds then let us know

1446
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:19,369
but it's more of a place for us than

1447
00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:24,410
ever before because scientific literacy

1448
00:58:30,339 --> 00:58:26,089
is something we don't seem to value

1449
00:58:32,589 --> 00:58:30,349
enough and I i paid for people to think

1450
00:58:36,099 --> 00:58:32,599
that we're somehow political always

1451
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:36,109
somehow somehow ever have hidden their

1452
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:38,480
gender of some sort and when we're

1453
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:40,480
really what we're really here for is to

1454
00:58:47,260 --> 00:58:44,690
expose the scientific community to the

1455
00:58:50,349 --> 00:58:47,270
youth of Australia and I think it's a

1456
00:58:52,809 --> 00:58:50,359
advice motion it's it's incredibly

1457
00:58:55,900 --> 00:58:52,819
important for us to be scientific lips I

1458
00:58:58,089 --> 00:58:55,910
until a literate for two reasons one is

1459
00:59:00,819 --> 00:58:58,099
to to see through the to really

1460
00:59:02,980 --> 00:59:00,829
see through what what people are trying

1461
00:59:06,430 --> 00:59:02,990
to get to know when someone's trying to

1462
00:59:09,039 --> 00:59:06,440
sell you a vacuum cleaner on radio Alan

1463
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:09,049
Jones loves to bang on about how climate

1464
00:59:13,390 --> 00:59:10,850
change is a sham

1465
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:13,400
and lots of lots of politicians have

1466
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:15,440
trouble being just scientifically

1467
00:59:19,330 --> 00:59:16,880
literate and I think it's really

1468
00:59:23,130 --> 00:59:19,340
important for us to to sort this mess

1469
00:59:25,930 --> 00:59:23,140
out and the second reason is science is

1470
00:59:28,090 --> 00:59:25,940
scientists has all the wonder of fiction

1471
00:59:31,870 --> 00:59:28,100
or the Wonder a fantasy wrapped up in

1472
00:59:33,820 --> 00:59:31,880
reality and so if I guess if you'd like

1473
00:59:37,050 --> 00:59:33,830
to see something you haven't seen before

1474
00:59:39,310 --> 00:59:37,060
or if you have children who want to

1475
00:59:41,530 --> 00:59:39,320
explore the world at large then where

1476
00:59:43,210 --> 00:59:41,540
where the people for you sound like just

1477
00:59:45,610 --> 00:59:43,220
the people absolutely just the people

1478
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:45,620
well young the scientists of Australia

1479
00:59:49,060 --> 00:59:47,210
thank you very much for sparing some

1480
00:59:50,850 --> 00:59:49,070
time for the skeptic zone and as a

1481
00:59:53,740 --> 00:59:50,860
little thank you I'll just reach it back

1482
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:53,750
and from Australian skeptics for your

1483
00:59:59,110 --> 00:59:55,610
organization here's a copy of the great

1484
01:00:01,210 --> 00:59:59,120
water divining DVD lots of scientific

1485
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:01,220
investigations of strange things on

1486
01:00:06,910 --> 01:00:03,890
there I'm sure you'll enjoy looking at

1487
01:00:08,980 --> 01:00:06,920
Cerritos Dodgers top shelf chicken that

1488
01:00:11,140 --> 01:00:08,990
looks like fun starring the one and only

1489
01:00:14,620 --> 01:00:11,150
james randi I'm sure you'll enjoy that

1490
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:14,630
and I hope people run to your website

1491
01:00:19,660 --> 01:00:18,050
check it out and I really really am a

1492
01:00:22,810 --> 01:00:19,670
fan of what you're trying to do because

1493
01:00:24,250 --> 01:00:22,820
I do that myself outreach encouraging

1494
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:24,260
young people to get interested in

1495
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:26,090
science and maybe look for a career in

1496
01:00:31,210 --> 01:00:28,640
this sort of thing so young scientists

1497
01:00:43,130 --> 01:00:31,220
of Australia thank you very much thank

1498
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:45,690
hi this is brian dunning from the

1499
01:00:52,860 --> 01:00:49,810
sceptile podcast ATS kept ID com for 15

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01:00:55,620 --> 01:00:52,870
years now dr. Bob's trivia quiz has been

1501
01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:55,630
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1502
01:01:00,960 --> 01:00:58,090
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1503
01:01:04,110 --> 01:01:00,970
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1504
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:04,120
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01:01:09,570 --> 01:01:06,370
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01:01:39,830 --> 01:01:24,520
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1511
01:01:46,740 --> 01:01:42,390
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1512
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:46,750
zone I'll just shut this fridge and go

1513
01:01:57,650 --> 01:01:48,850
back to the recording studio up the

1514
01:02:04,260 --> 01:02:01,080
that's better coming up on next week's

1515
01:02:07,350 --> 01:02:04,270
show more interviews from Tam with may

1516
01:02:09,930 --> 01:02:07,360
not of course I think am hmm Brian

1517
01:02:12,030 --> 01:02:09,940
Dunning or Ben Radford or both one or

1518
01:02:15,690 --> 01:02:12,040
the other or both we'll see we'll see

1519
01:02:16,950 --> 01:02:15,700
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01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:16,960
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01:02:43,770 --> 01:02:40,510
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01:02:48,300 --> 01:02:43,780
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